[FA Worldmusic] Marcel Khalife, more info
Living learning
living_learning at hotmail.com
Thu Sep 27 14:08:46 ADT 2007
Hello Gerald,
As Tamir said this is not a political forum and I support that. But, I am
human so, a bit seems in order. So I will only sprinkle a few words.
The whole doesn't rest on the Jewish community. Obviously others must
support this, otherwise these censorships would be protested. Also, this is
such a hard subject to have a dialogue on in any forum because a grave
sensitivity has developed with a slanted view and any other will be severely
attacked.
I am so frustrated by this and I have so much to say, as I am sure many
others, but . . . I fight to hold back.
Louise
Afropop NYC Events
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org
>[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org] On Behalf
>Of Gerald Seligman
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:36 PM
>To: glenn tamir
>Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
>Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
>
>Dear Glenn,
>
>There is a word that summarizes the position you outline and that the
>San Diego Jewish community seems to advocate: censorship. If a Jewish
>musician can perform without providing 'equal time" -- an astonishing
>notion for a music performance -- why can't a Lebanese musician do the
>same? Or are you suggesting that all Klezmer acts must now provide an
>Arabic first act?
>
>Regards,
>Gerald Seligman
>
>
>
>On 9/26/07, glenn tamir <gtamir613 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not being familiar with Mr. Khalifi's music, I consulted a very close
> > friend of mine who is one of the top Arab musicians in Israel. What
> > he told me sheds some light on why this decision was made.
> >
> > According to my friend (himself a Christian Arab living in Israel who
> > performs with Jews, Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Turks, etc...) Mr.
> > Khalifi's music is itself very political. According to him, Mr.
> > Khalifi's lyrics are supportive of the Palestinian Arabs' cause.
> > While this is not in and of itself wrong, as everyone has the right to
>
> > express his views, it does alienate those who hold a different view of
>
> > how to solve the problem of the Palestinian Arab Refugees - indeed the
>
> > problem of all refugees in the region be they Musim, Jewish, Druze,
> > etc...
> >
> > Indeed, the organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > Coalition San Diego, by virtue of its name alone, is very contentious
> > as it directly threatens the existence of Israel as a Jewish State. I
>
> > don't want to get into this discussion as this is not the forum, nor
> > do we have the time here to go into it. I will say that I can
> > understand how the Jewish community of San Diego felt that this was
> > more of a political rally with music rather than a purely musical
> > concert.
> >
> > There are groups made up of Arabs and Jews which regularly perform in
> > Israel and abroad that do present the kind of
> > musical/brotherhood/peaceful coexistence image that is representative
> > of a "balanced approach" that the Salvation Army representative may
> > have been looking for.
> >
> > After living in Israel for more than a year now, I can tell you that
> > anything political is often delicate and contentious. I am actively
> > trying to work with those musicians who put themselves out there on
> > the line by upsetting both sides, by singing about people of all
> > religions living in peace. These musicians have a message but it is a
>
> > universal one, not supportive of any one side or ideology.
> >
> > Let us all do what we can for peace, salaam, shalom
> >
> > Glenn Tamir
> > http://www.tamirproductions.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/26/07, fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org
> > <fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org> wrote:
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> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Marcel Khalife, more info (Dmitri Vietze)
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:06:26 -0400
> > > From: "Dmitri Vietze" <music at rockpaperscissors.biz>
> > > Subject: [FA Worldmusic] Marcel Khalife, more info
> > > To: <fa-worldmusic at folk.org>
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the interest and support in Marcel Khalife and his
> > > North American tour. What happened in San Diego was that the local
> > > presenting organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > > Coalition San
> > Diego, had
> > > been in talks with the Salvation Army San Diego theater since
> > > February
> > 2007.
> > > The desired concert date was available, they met with the theater
> > manager, and
> > > they followed the theater's instructions for reserving the venue:
> > > made a deposit and gave proof of insurance and a security
> > > arrangement. They
> > were in
> > > touch with the theater's staff, exchanging information about
> > > lighting
> > and
> > > sound, and about seating charts and ticketing. There was no mention
> > > of
> > an
> > > application or review process until July 31, when the theater
> > > manager
> > emailed
> > > an application form, saying it was just needed to collect
> > > information
> > for
> > > their contract. One concert organizer said, "All along she [the
> > > theater manager] expressed nothing but excitement about the event
>and Marcel."
> > The
> > > presenters filled out the form (which said nothing about a review
> > process
> > > either) and emailed it to the theater manager on 8/1/2007 and made
> > > an appointment to go to the theater and sign the contract on
> > > 8/17/2007. On
> > > 8/13/2007 the manager sent the following without any explanation:
> > >
> > > "I regret to inform you that The Salvation Army has respectfully
> > declined to
> > > book your event at The Joan B. Kroc Theatre at the Salvation Army
> > > Ray
> > and Joan
> > > Kroc Corps Community Center. We wish you all the best for a
> > > successful
> > event.
> > > Your deposit refund is being processed and you should receive it in
> > > one
> > to two
> > > weeks. If you have any questions please contact my administrator
> > Captain John
> > > Van Cleef."
> > >
> > > The concert organizers immediately called the captain who said the
> > > event
> > was
> > > inconsistent with their views and is divisive and unballanced and
> > > will alienate the Jewish community, and asked why they aren't
> > > inviting an
> > Israeli
> > > artist to perform together with Marcel. The captain then said the
> > decision was
> > > that of the SA board of directors. But through a former board
> > > member,
> > the
> > > concert organizers found out that the decision was made by the local
> > staff and
> > > not by the board.
> > >
> > > When "Middle East in Focus," a radio program on KPFK in Los Angeles
> > invited
> > > both a concert organizer and someone from the Salvation Army on
> > September 5,
> > > the Salvation Army issued a statement including this excerpt:
> > >
> > > "In our opinion, the Palestinian Right to Return Coalition's
> > single-focus
> > > agenda seemed inconsistent with the goals we have for public use of
> > > our center."
> > >
> > > This was the first that the organizers had heard that the venue had
> > > an
> > issue
> > > with the presenting organization, whose mission focuses on the
> > > rights of Palestinain refugees. The concert was always planned as a
> > > performance,
> > not a
> > > political event.
> > >
> > > The San Diego concert is still scheduled on October 14 at a
> > > differett
> > venue,
> > > The Birch North Park Theatre
>(www.birchnorthparktheatre.net/index.htm).
> > The
> > > rest of Khalife's tour is unaffected by this incident, except for
> > > the
> > wide
> > > level of interest by the media in what occurred in San Diego.
> > >
> > > I hope that answers some of the questions posted here.
> > >
> > > Much respect,
> > >
> > > Dmitri Vietze
> > > rock paper scissors, inc.
> > > music at rockpaperscissors.biz
> > > www.rockpaperscissors.biz
> > >
> > > {{music of global significance}}
> > >
> > > p u b l i c i t y f o r t h e w o r l d
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Hochman" <shochman at pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > >I was curious about that as well.... What is the exact nature of
> > > >the problem? Who forced the change? Was it the venue management
> > > >itself,
> > and
> > > > if so what was the official stated reason?
> > >
> > > > glenn tamir wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Can anybody find out exactly who is creating the problem for
> > Khalifi? The
> > > >> e-mail says that the venue is causing the problem. I would like
>to
> > know
> > > >> the facts so that I can look into this further as this is most
> > disturbing.
> > >
> > >
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> > > End of FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
> > > *********************************************
> > >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Glenn Tamir
> > www.tamirproductions.com
> > gtamir613 at gmail.com
> > tel: 011-972-54-577-4130
> > In US: 914.833.3547
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>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:23:00 -0600
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>
>Hey Bill,
>
>Definitely let WPKN in Bridgeport know about this. You might also
>try to post on Jambase.
>
>tom
>
>
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>Message: 3
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 11:41:15 -0700
>From: "Mark Gorney" <mark at worldisc.net>
>Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
>To: "'Marco Werman'" <marco.werman at bbc.co.uk>, "'Gerald Seligman'"
> <geraldseligman at gmail.com>, "'glenn tamir'" <gtamir613 at gmail.com>
>
>I would have thought that being a UNESCO Artist for Peace would give one a
>certain cultural/diplomatic immunity, but I guess not.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+mark=worldisc.net at folk.org
>[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+mark=worldisc.net at folk.org] On Behalf Of
>Marco
>Werman
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM
>To: Gerald Seligman; glenn tamir
>Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
>Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
>
>Or, another analogy: imagine Mariem Hassan, a Sahrawi singer who has
>lived most of her life in an Algerian refugee camp waiting to go back to
>a country occupied by Morocco and who sings political songs of exile,
>being told by a US theater that she can't perform unless a Moroccan
>singer joins her on stage.
>Sincerely,
>Marco Werman
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org
>[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org] On Behalf
>Of Gerald Seligman
>Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:36 PM
>To: glenn tamir
>Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
>Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
>
>Dear Glenn,
>
>There is a word that summarizes the position you outline and that the
>San Diego Jewish community seems to advocate: censorship. If a Jewish
>musician can perform without providing 'equal time" -- an astonishing
>notion for a music performance -- why can't a Lebanese musician do the
>same? Or are you suggesting that all Klezmer acts must now provide an
>Arabic first act?
>
>Regards,
>Gerald Seligman
>
>
>
>On 9/26/07, glenn tamir <gtamir613 at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Not being familiar with Mr. Khalifi's music, I consulted a very close
> > friend of mine who is one of the top Arab musicians in Israel. What
> > he told me sheds some light on why this decision was made.
> >
> > According to my friend (himself a Christian Arab living in Israel who
> > performs with Jews, Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Turks, etc...) Mr.
> > Khalifi's music is itself very political. According to him, Mr.
> > Khalifi's lyrics are supportive of the Palestinian Arabs' cause.
> > While this is not in and of itself wrong, as everyone has the right to
>
> > express his views, it does alienate those who hold a different view of
>
> > how to solve the problem of the Palestinian Arab Refugees - indeed the
>
> > problem of all refugees in the region be they Musim, Jewish, Druze,
> > etc...
> >
> > Indeed, the organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > Coalition San Diego, by virtue of its name alone, is very contentious
> > as it directly threatens the existence of Israel as a Jewish State. I
>
> > don't want to get into this discussion as this is not the forum, nor
> > do we have the time here to go into it. I will say that I can
> > understand how the Jewish community of San Diego felt that this was
> > more of a political rally with music rather than a purely musical
> > concert.
> >
> > There are groups made up of Arabs and Jews which regularly perform in
> > Israel and abroad that do present the kind of
> > musical/brotherhood/peaceful coexistence image that is representative
> > of a "balanced approach" that the Salvation Army representative may
> > have been looking for.
> >
> > After living in Israel for more than a year now, I can tell you that
> > anything political is often delicate and contentious. I am actively
> > trying to work with those musicians who put themselves out there on
> > the line by upsetting both sides, by singing about people of all
> > religions living in peace. These musicians have a message but it is a
>
> > universal one, not supportive of any one side or ideology.
> >
> > Let us all do what we can for peace, salaam, shalom
> >
> > Glenn Tamir
> > http://www.tamirproductions.com
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/26/07, fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org
> > <fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org> wrote:
> > > Send FA-Worldmusic mailing list submissions to
> > > fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> > >
> > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit
> > > http://www.folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/fa-worldmusic
> > > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to
> > > fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org
> > >
> > > You can reach the person managing the list at
> > > fa-worldmusic-owner at folk.org
> > >
> > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific
> > > than "Re: Contents of FA-Worldmusic digest..."
> > >
> > >
> > > Today's Topics:
> > >
> > > 1. Marcel Khalife, more info (Dmitri Vietze)
> > >
> > >
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > --
> > >
> > > Message: 1
> > > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:06:26 -0400
> > > From: "Dmitri Vietze" <music at rockpaperscissors.biz>
> > > Subject: [FA Worldmusic] Marcel Khalife, more info
> > > To: <fa-worldmusic at folk.org>
> > >
> > > Hi everyone,
> > >
> > > Thank you for the interest and support in Marcel Khalife and his
> > > North American tour. What happened in San Diego was that the local
> > > presenting organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > > Coalition San
> > Diego, had
> > > been in talks with the Salvation Army San Diego theater since
> > > February
> > 2007.
> > > The desired concert date was available, they met with the theater
> > manager, and
> > > they followed the theater's instructions for reserving the venue:
> > > made a deposit and gave proof of insurance and a security
> > > arrangement. They
> > were in
> > > touch with the theater's staff, exchanging information about
> > > lighting
> > and
> > > sound, and about seating charts and ticketing. There was no mention
> > > of
> > an
> > > application or review process until July 31, when the theater
> > > manager
> > emailed
> > > an application form, saying it was just needed to collect
> > > information
> > for
> > > their contract. One concert organizer said, "All along she [the
> > > theater manager] expressed nothing but excitement about the event
>and Marcel."
> > The
> > > presenters filled out the form (which said nothing about a review
> > process
> > > either) and emailed it to the theater manager on 8/1/2007 and made
> > > an appointment to go to the theater and sign the contract on
> > > 8/17/2007. On
> > > 8/13/2007 the manager sent the following without any explanation:
> > >
> > > "I regret to inform you that The Salvation Army has respectfully
> > declined to
> > > book your event at The Joan B. Kroc Theatre at the Salvation Army
> > > Ray
> > and Joan
> > > Kroc Corps Community Center. We wish you all the best for a
> > > successful
> > event.
> > > Your deposit refund is being processed and you should receive it in
> > > one
> > to two
> > > weeks. If you have any questions please contact my administrator
> > Captain John
> > > Van Cleef."
> > >
> > > The concert organizers immediately called the captain who said the
> > > event
> > was
> > > inconsistent with their views and is divisive and unballanced and
> > > will alienate the Jewish community, and asked why they aren't
> > > inviting an
> > Israeli
> > > artist to perform together with Marcel. The captain then said the
> > decision was
> > > that of the SA board of directors. But through a former board
> > > member,
> > the
> > > concert organizers found out that the decision was made by the local
> > staff and
> > > not by the board.
> > >
> > > When "Middle East in Focus," a radio program on KPFK in Los Angeles
> > invited
> > > both a concert organizer and someone from the Salvation Army on
> > September 5,
> > > the Salvation Army issued a statement including this excerpt:
> > >
> > > "In our opinion, the Palestinian Right to Return Coalition's
> > single-focus
> > > agenda seemed inconsistent with the goals we have for public use of
> > > our center."
> > >
> > > This was the first that the organizers had heard that the venue had
> > > an
> > issue
> > > with the presenting organization, whose mission focuses on the
> > > rights of Palestinain refugees. The concert was always planned as a
> > > performance,
> > not a
> > > political event.
> > >
> > > The San Diego concert is still scheduled on October 14 at a
> > > differett
> > venue,
> > > The Birch North Park Theatre
>(www.birchnorthparktheatre.net/index.htm).
> > The
> > > rest of Khalife's tour is unaffected by this incident, except for
> > > the
> > wide
> > > level of interest by the media in what occurred in San Diego.
> > >
> > > I hope that answers some of the questions posted here.
> > >
> > > Much respect,
> > >
> > > Dmitri Vietze
> > > rock paper scissors, inc.
> > > music at rockpaperscissors.biz
> > > www.rockpaperscissors.biz
> > >
> > > {{music of global significance}}
> > >
> > > p u b l i c i t y f o r t h e w o r l d
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Steve Hochman" <shochman at pacbell.net>
> > >
> > > >I was curious about that as well.... What is the exact nature of
> > > >the problem? Who forced the change? Was it the venue management
> > > >itself,
> > and
> > > > if so what was the official stated reason?
> > >
> > > > glenn tamir wrote:
> > >
> > > >> Can anybody find out exactly who is creating the problem for
> > Khalifi? The
> > > >> e-mail says that the venue is causing the problem. I would like
>to
> > know
> > > >> the facts so that I can look into this further as this is most
> > disturbing.
> > >
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>Message: 4
>Date: Wed, 26 Sep 2007 12:43:29 -0700
>From: "Dore Stein" <tangentsradio at gmail.com>
>Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
>To: "Mark Gorney" <mark at worldisc.net>
>
>Is this the kind of contentious talk that some folks fear from Khalife?
>
>
>
> "More than ever, we all have to work much harder for peace. Peace cannot
>be imposed upon a people by a certain political power or agenda. Peace is
>achieved through respect, understanding of others and their culture; it is
>achieved by giving up fear of others; it is achieved through dialogue."
>
>
>
>One of his bio's states that "when the Israelis invaded Lebanon, (the first
>time in the 1980's) they confiscated his cassettes, apparently fearing
>Khalife's ability to bolster Arab cultural pride. "
>
>
>
>Of course history is riddled with heroes portrayed as villains and vice
>-versa.
>
>
>
>The United States government at one time labeled Nelson Mandela a "Black
>nationalist terrorist".
>
>
>
>And Henry Kissinger was awarded The Nobel Peace Prize in 1973 for helping
>to
>overthrow the Chilean government Sept 11, 1973 (the first 911) and 21 years
>later George W. Bush and Tony Blair were nominated for the Nobel Peace
>Prize
>for going to war to remove Saddam Hussein.
>
>
>
>I guess the good news is they didn't win.
>
>
>
>Dore
>
>
>On 9/26/07, Mark Gorney <mark at worldisc.net> wrote:
> >
> > I would have thought that being a UNESCO Artist for Peace would give one
>a
> > certain cultural/diplomatic immunity, but I guess not.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+mark=worldisc.net at folk.org
> > [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+mark=worldisc.net at folk.org] On Behalf Of
> > Marco
> > Werman
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 10:40 AM
> > To: Gerald Seligman; glenn tamir
> > Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> > Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
> >
> > Or, another analogy: imagine Mariem Hassan, a Sahrawi singer who has
> > lived most of her life in an Algerian refugee camp waiting to go back to
> > a country occupied by Morocco and who sings political songs of exile,
> > being told by a US theater that she can't perform unless a Moroccan
> > singer joins her on stage.
> > Sincerely,
> > Marco Werman
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org
> > [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+marco.werman=bbc.co.uk at folk.org] On Behalf
> > Of Gerald Seligman
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:36 PM
> > To: glenn tamir
> > Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> > Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 19, Issue 21
> >
> > Dear Glenn,
> >
> > There is a word that summarizes the position you outline and that the
> > San Diego Jewish community seems to advocate: censorship. If a Jewish
> > musician can perform without providing 'equal time" -- an astonishing
> > notion for a music performance -- why can't a Lebanese musician do the
> > same? Or are you suggesting that all Klezmer acts must now provide an
> > Arabic first act?
> >
> > Regards,
> > Gerald Seligman
> >
> >
> >
> > On 9/26/07, glenn tamir <gtamir613 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Not being familiar with Mr. Khalifi's music, I consulted a very close
> > > friend of mine who is one of the top Arab musicians in Israel. What
> > > he told me sheds some light on why this decision was made.
> > >
> > > According to my friend (himself a Christian Arab living in Israel who
> > > performs with Jews, Muslims, Palestinian Arabs, Turks, etc...) Mr.
> > > Khalifi's music is itself very political. According to him, Mr.
> > > Khalifi's lyrics are supportive of the Palestinian Arabs' cause.
> > > While this is not in and of itself wrong, as everyone has the right to
> >
> > > express his views, it does alienate those who hold a different view of
> >
> > > how to solve the problem of the Palestinian Arab Refugees - indeed the
> >
> > > problem of all refugees in the region be they Musim, Jewish, Druze,
> > > etc...
> > >
> > > Indeed, the organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > > Coalition San Diego, by virtue of its name alone, is very contentious
> > > as it directly threatens the existence of Israel as a Jewish State. I
> >
> > > don't want to get into this discussion as this is not the forum, nor
> > > do we have the time here to go into it. I will say that I can
> > > understand how the Jewish community of San Diego felt that this was
> > > more of a political rally with music rather than a purely musical
> > > concert.
> > >
> > > There are groups made up of Arabs and Jews which regularly perform in
> > > Israel and abroad that do present the kind of
> > > musical/brotherhood/peaceful coexistence image that is representative
> > > of a "balanced approach" that the Salvation Army representative may
> > > have been looking for.
> > >
> > > After living in Israel for more than a year now, I can tell you that
> > > anything political is often delicate and contentious. I am actively
> > > trying to work with those musicians who put themselves out there on
> > > the line by upsetting both sides, by singing about people of all
> > > religions living in peace. These musicians have a message but it is a
> >
> > > universal one, not supportive of any one side or ideology.
> > >
> > > Let us all do what we can for peace, salaam, shalom
> > >
> > > Glenn Tamir
> > > http://www.tamirproductions.com
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 9/26/07, fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org
> > > <fa-worldmusic-request at folk.org> wrote:
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> > > > Today's Topics:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Marcel Khalife, more info (Dmitri Vietze)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > Message: 1
> > > > Date: Tue, 25 Sep 2007 15:06:26 -0400
> > > > From: "Dmitri Vietze" <music at rockpaperscissors.biz>
> > > > Subject: [FA Worldmusic] Marcel Khalife, more info
> > > > To: <fa-worldmusic at folk.org>
> > > >
> > > > Hi everyone,
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for the interest and support in Marcel Khalife and his
> > > > North American tour. What happened in San Diego was that the local
> > > > presenting organization, Al-Awda, The Palestine Right to Return
> > > > Coalition San
> > > Diego, had
> > > > been in talks with the Salvation Army San Diego theater since
> > > > February
> > > 2007.
> > > > The desired concert date was available, they met with the theater
> > > manager, and
> > > > they followed the theater's instructions for reserving the venue:
> > > > made a deposit and gave proof of insurance and a security
> > > > arrangement. They
> > > were in
> > > > touch with the theater's staff, exchanging information about
> > > > lighting
> > > and
> > > > sound, and about seating charts and ticketing. There was no mention
> > > > of
> > > an
> > > > application or review process until July 31, when the theater
> > > > manager
> > > emailed
> > > > an application form, saying it was just needed to collect
> > > > information
> > > for
> > > > their contract. One concert organizer said, "All along she [the
> > > > theater manager] expressed nothing but excitement about the event
> > and Marcel."
> > > The
> > > > presenters filled out the form (which said nothing about a review
> > > process
> > > > either) and emailed it to the theater manager on 8/1/2007 and made
> > > > an appointment to go to the theater and sign the contract on
> > > > 8/17/2007. On
> > > > 8/13/2007 the manager sent the following without any explanation:
> > > >
> > > > "I regret to inform you that The Salvation Army has respectfully
> > > declined to
> > > > book your event at The Joan B. Kroc Theatre at the Salvation Army
> > > > Ray
> > > and Joan
> > > > Kroc Corps Community Center. We wish you all the best for a
> > > > successful
> > > event.
> > > > Your deposit refund is being processed and you should receive it in
> > > > one
> > > to two
> > > > weeks. If you have any questions please contact my administrator
> > > Captain John
> > > > Van Cleef."
> > > >
> > > > The concert organizers immediately called the captain who said the
> > > > event
> > > was
> > > > inconsistent with their views and is divisive and unballanced and
> > > > will alienate the Jewish community, and asked why they aren't
> > > > inviting an
> > > Israeli
> > > > artist to perform together with Marcel. The captain then said the
> > > decision was
> > > > that of the SA board of directors. But through a former board
> > > > member,
> > > the
> > > > concert organizers found out that the decision was made by the local
> > > staff and
> > > > not by the board.
> > > >
> > > > When "Middle East in Focus," a radio program on KPFK in Los Angeles
> > > invited
> > > > both a concert organizer and someone from the Salvation Army on
> > > September 5,
> > > > the Salvation Army issued a statement including this excerpt:
> > > >
> > > > "In our opinion, the Palestinian Right to Return Coalition's
> > > single-focus
> > > > agenda seemed inconsistent with the goals we have for public use of
> > > > our center."
> > > >
> > > > This was the first that the organizers had heard that the venue had
> > > > an
> > > issue
> > > > with the presenting organization, whose mission focuses on the
> > > > rights of Palestinain refugees. The concert was always planned as a
> > > > performance,
> > > not a
> > > > political event.
> > > >
> > > > The San Diego concert is still scheduled on October 14 at a
> > > > differett
> > > venue,
> > > > The Birch North Park Theatre
> > (www.birchnorthparktheatre.net/index.htm).
> > > The
> > > > rest of Khalife's tour is unaffected by this incident, except for
> > > > the
> > > wide
> > > > level of interest by the media in what occurred in San Diego.
> > > >
> > > > I hope that answers some of the questions posted here.
> > > >
> > > > Much respect,
> > > >
> > > > Dmitri Vietze
> > > > rock paper scissors, inc.
> > > > music at rockpaperscissors.biz
> > > > www.rockpaperscissors.biz
> > > >
> > > > {{music of global significance}}
> > > >
> > > > p u b l i c i t y f o r t h e w o r l d
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Steve Hochman" <shochman at pacbell.net>
> > > >
> > > > >I was curious about that as well.... What is the exact nature of
> > > > >the problem? Who forced the change? Was it the venue management
> > > > >itself,
> > > and
> > > > > if so what was the official stated reason?
> > > >
> > > > > glenn tamir wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >> Can anybody find out exactly who is creating the problem for
> > > Khalifi? The
> > > > >> e-mail says that the venue is causing the problem. I would like
> > to
> > > know
> > > > >> the facts so that I can look into this further as this is most
> > > disturbing.
> > > >
> > > >
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> > >
> > > --
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> > > gtamir613 at gmail.com
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