[FA Worldmusic] relativity

Steve Hochman shochman at pacbell.net
Wed Aug 15 12:48:25 ADT 2007 

I'm all for it! After all, I went to a "world music" festival in  
Budapest once that featured some Hungarian music in the mix. Why  
shouldn't various North American music styles be included in such an  
event held over here?


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On Aug 15, 2007, at 1:32 AM, neal copperman - AMP Concerts wrote:

> Hmmmm, isn't it precisely that kind of barrier
> destroying we are talking about?  I'll
> occasionally drop a bluegrass, blues or Native
> American song into my world music show just for
> that reason. It's not the cornerstone of the
> shows, as that music is all very well represented
> on our local radio, but it fits the concept.
>
> Similarly in booking our festival.  We have had
> The Bills, The Red Stick Ramblers and this year
> Koko Taylor at !Globalquerque!.  North American
> roots acts are frequently the most popular acts
> of the weekend, largely because they are the
> easiest for people to get.  But it also helps
> people ease into the world music arena.  We have
> people come to the festival who are dubious about
> all the different music, but feel that there are
> enough things there to latch onto that they will
> be ok, and later discover that some of the
> "weirder" music isn't so bad.  (Of course, there
> are world music fans that come as well!)
>
> neal
>
> .
>
> At 4:18 PM -0700 8/14/07, Kutay Kugay wrote:
>> Bluegrass in definitely world music outside of US.
>> The reason I would not program it in my radio program or at he SFWMF
>> in a prominently is because there are many other programs and
>> presenters focusing on just bluegrass.
>>
>> The issue of labeling and identifying artist by country exclusively
>> and making that a requirement sometimes runs into dispute.
>> Not only music gets grafted and infused but populations of people do
>> also. Often tragically. Colonization have produced millions of
>> assimilated and peoples alienated from their own cultures.
>> i.e.: Kurds, Kashmiris, Azerbaijanis, Uygurs, Tamashek speakers, Sami
>> people.
>> One has to render the question not by seeking categorization per se
>> but by paying attention to characteristics and needs of the  
>> individual.
>>
>> Regards
>> Kutay
>>
>> ______________________________________
>> Kutay Derin Kugay
>> San Francisco World Music Festival
>> Co founder
>> Door Dog Music Productions
>> Program Director
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>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Aug 14, 2007, at 3:03 PM, Dmitri Vietze wrote:
>>
>>>  Good and bad are in the eyes of the beholders. And what each person
>>>  perceives as good or bad includes a lot of data that has less to do
>>>  with
>>>  issues of technical skill, production quality, and even musical
>>>  passion, and
>>>  more to do with subconscious factors. Including what friends listen
>>>  to,
>>>  personal and cultural identity, what people think they are
>>>  "supposed to
>>>  listen to" to fit into their affinity groups, and some wacky song
>>>  they heard
>>>  on the radio when they were a kid and their parents turned it off,
>>>  etc. So
>>>  in the end, if we eliminate labels and categories, how do we talk
>>>  about
>>>  music?
>>>
>>>  I still think there is a place for organizing music and presenting
>>>  it in a
>>>  framework. I think it is interesting how emotional some people get
>>>  about how
>>>  you should or shouldn't categorize music, how certain music  
>>> should or
>>>  shouldn't be grouped together. (Heck, why call it music? Let's  
>>> call it
>>>  sound.) The point is that with so much sound out there, it is
>>>  helpful to
>>>  create entry-points for newcomers to a particular sound, and  
>>> reference
>>>  points for talking about sound when playing the sound is not  
>>> feasible.
>>>
>>>  The question is how to create entry-points for people in (North)
>>>  America to
>>>  listen to music in other languages, with other rhythms, harmonic
>>>  structures,
>>>  timbres, etc. In an ethnocentric USA, is it really the same for
>>>  global music
>>>  forms as it is for other forms of music? How many of you in the so-
>>> called
>>>  "world music" field have promoted a concert, sold a CD, etc.  
>>> without
>>>  mentioning the country of origin of an artist. Isn't that just  
>>> another
>>>  category?
>>>
>>>  Much respect,
>>>
>>>  ===> Dmitri!
>>>  music at rockpaperscissors.biz
>>>
>>>  ----- Original Message -----
>>>  From: "Phil Ballman" <philballman at gmail.com>
>>>  To: <fa-worldmusic at folk.org>
>>>  Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:42 PM
>>>  Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 18, Issue 14
>>>
>>>
>>>>>  What I meant is I'm not a fan of music categorization.  It
>>>>>  results in
>>>>>  arbitrary boundaries that encourage pre-conceived biases and
>>>>>  discourage open-minded listening.
>>>>
>>>>  Bill, I'm with you 100%. Forget categories; just listen. I hate
>>>>  the term
>>>>  "world music", it's awful.
>>>>
>>>>  My man Duke Ellington perhaps put it best:
>>>>  "There are only two kinds of music: good and bad."
>>>>
>>>>  Phil
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