[FA Worldmusic] FA-Worldmusic Digest, Vol 18, Issue 8
Ben Kelly
ben at theascotclub.com
Fri Aug 10 21:14:35 ADT 2007
Great thread, although it's making my head spin, does 17 hippies cover
Apache?
Regarding colliding audiences, the presenters have done a great job of
tying different forms together, to generally appreciative results.
However at retail these collisions haven't been without controversy.
If the Tuesday morning shift wants to play Don Omar at 11AM in Virgin
Times Square the day that Mariza releases her 3rd studio album, what can
you do, alienate the Mariza fan who may be a refugee of the Top 40?
Perversely Mariza cites Eminem as a favorite in a songlines sidebar
fluff piece. It could only get stranger if Yusuf was in the store that
morning and bought the entire Don Omar catalog.
With so much food for thought we will never go hungry.
Here are some more Lily Allen sample sources from the bootleg called
"Alright Steal":
Pierre Bachelet/Herve Roy - Emmanuelle Theme (Littlest Things)
John Holt - For the Love of You (Friend Of Mine)
50 Cent - Window Shopper (Nan You're a Window Shopper)
The original 50 Cent track somehow contains a sample of BMW's
Burnin&Lootin, but I don't hear it.
Sandie Shaw - Puppet on a String (Alfie)
Ben
Benjamin Kelly
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AOL Radio
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New York, NY 10011-4962
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Today's Topics:
1. Hip-hop from Sierra Leone (Jesse Brenner)
2. Re: 17 Hippies controversy (Steve Hochman)
3. Re: 17 Hippies controversy (Steve Hochman)
4. Re: knowledge transfer and marketing across generations
(Paul Harding)
5. Re: knowledge transfer and marketing across generations
(Steve Hochman)
6. Re: Hip-hop from Sierra Leone (Steve Hochman)
7. Re: 17 Hippies controversy (Ian Menzies)
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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:29:33 -0400
From: "Jesse Brenner" <jesse at modiba.net>
Subject: [FA Worldmusic] Hip-hop from Sierra Leone
To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Hey everyone-- while we're on the topic of global hip-hop, check out
Modiba's latest release "Ease Di Tension" by Sierra Leone super-group
Dry Yai, in support of non-violence during tomorrow's critical
elections back home in S.L.
FREE download:
http://www.dryyai.com
Also has live events list, news items, full press release, and more.
Cheers,
Jesse
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:44:27 -0700
From: Steve Hochman <shochman at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
To: Ian Menzies <ian at menziesmixedmedia.com>
When I first heard the Lily Allen album I was stunned to hear the
Prof. Longhair "Big Chief" lick (the song, for the record, was
written by another New Orleans great, Earl King)... it made me a fan
of hers for life, no matter what else she does (and she is not bad at
all, a lot of personality and growth potential, artistically, if she
keeps her head).
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On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Ian Menzies wrote:
> Isn't pretty much every hip hop track a co-opting or cover of a
> previous hit
> (snark)?
>
> Speaking of remakes and sampling, not sure how many on this list
> have taken
> notice of Lily Allen, but her hit debut album is heavly laced with
> fairly
> easy to recognize "world music" samples. The first one I noticed was
> Professor Longhair's "Big Chief" (speaking of Native Amerian
> influences)
> which is the backbone of her song "Knock em Out". But upon a closer
> listen
> (and a look at the song writing credits) I found several more,
> including -
> The Soul Brothers "Free Soul" (produced by Coxsone Dodd), providing
> the
> backbone for "Smile" - and the horns on "LDN" coming from Tommy
> McCook's
> "Reggae Merengue".
>
> Nice to see the kids diggin' their roots, but I wonder how many of
> them
> realize where these tunes and sounds originally came from? Would be
> interesting to know if labels like Trojan (who have the Tommy
> McCook track)
> or Mardi Gras Records (who I think control the Watch catalogue that
> Big
> Cheif first came out on) have experienced any sales bumps for the
> originals
> because of it? Certainly whomever conotrols the publishing will
> have seen a
> nice cash injection in the last few quarters.
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org
> [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org]On
> Behalf Of Bill Bragin
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:09 PM
> To: Dmitri Vietze; fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
>
>
> Apache is absolutely a hip-hop classic, even if it has earlier
> sources,
> just as much as I Will Always Love you is a defining soul ballad
> classic, even if Dolly Parton wrote it.
>
> Where you are wrong is that it was Sugarhill gang, not Afrika
> Bambaata.
> And you can see a hugely offensive video here (though I guess the fake
> Native American characatures and bongos help it to qualify as world
> Music)"Tonto, jump opon it. Kimopsabi, jump on it..."
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJL8jDvukew
>
> Sugar Hill gang were really drawing from the Incredible Bongo Band's
> version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTvkoakkMX4
>
>
> But, there are lots of other great versions:
>
> The Shadows; http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
> The Ventures: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
> Danish Disco version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTKL8MNH95Q (I think
> the outfits rival Sugar Hill Gang's)
>
> And a Prodigy video mash-up of the same:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-COGNOY3Nic
>
> Yes, it's a rainy Friday...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org
> [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org] On
> Behalf Of Dmitri Vietze
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:52 PM
> To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> Subject: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
>
> OK, so I have now been slapped on the wrist twice for calling Apache a
> "hip
> hop classic." See below. Another "elder" (ha, haaaa! no harm meant) of
> our
> community took the time from their busy schedule to call me and
> tell me
> the
> song had earlier origins in some old cowboy flick or something.
> (Though
> that
> person got credit for catching the Afrika Bambata reference, in
> spite of
> me
> being wrong, wrong wrong.) So in addition to booking 17 Hippies this
> September, you could schedule a debate and discussion on the multiple
> histories of the song "Apache."
>
> ("Kimosobi, jump on it!, jump on it, jump on it!)
>
> Much respect,
>
> ===> Dmitri!
> music at rockpaperscissors.biz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> At 10:02 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
>>> Apache (yes, that's right, folks! The hip hop classic done
> acoustically
>>> and in
>>> a Turkish 9/8 rhythm!)
>>
>> Oh, dude, you are S0-0-0-0 showing your youth. <g>
>>
>> "Apache" was a 1960s surf-guitar hit for The Challengers, written by
> Jerry
>> Lawler, ... a little early for hip-hop. <g>
>>
>> I'll give you the 9/8 rhythm, though.
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 14:49:53 -0700
From: Steve Hochman <shochman at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
To: Ian Menzies <ian at menziesmixedmedia.com>
and here's a GREAT live version with both Prof. Longhair and Earl
King joining Dr. John to do the song... excellent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOyBwrvOKA
-----------------------------------
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On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Ian Menzies wrote:
> Isn't pretty much every hip hop track a co-opting or cover of a
> previous hit
> (snark)?
>
> Speaking of remakes and sampling, not sure how many on this list
> have taken
> notice of Lily Allen, but her hit debut album is heavly laced with
> fairly
> easy to recognize "world music" samples. The first one I noticed was
> Professor Longhair's "Big Chief" (speaking of Native Amerian
> influences)
> which is the backbone of her song "Knock em Out". But upon a closer
> listen
> (and a look at the song writing credits) I found several more,
> including -
> The Soul Brothers "Free Soul" (produced by Coxsone Dodd), providing
> the
> backbone for "Smile" - and the horns on "LDN" coming from Tommy
> McCook's
> "Reggae Merengue".
>
> Nice to see the kids diggin' their roots, but I wonder how many of
> them
> realize where these tunes and sounds originally came from? Would be
> interesting to know if labels like Trojan (who have the Tommy
> McCook track)
> or Mardi Gras Records (who I think control the Watch catalogue that
> Big
> Cheif first came out on) have experienced any sales bumps for the
> originals
> because of it? Certainly whomever conotrols the publishing will
> have seen a
> nice cash injection in the last few quarters.
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org
> [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org]On
> Behalf Of Bill Bragin
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:09 PM
> To: Dmitri Vietze; fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
>
>
> Apache is absolutely a hip-hop classic, even if it has earlier
> sources,
> just as much as I Will Always Love you is a defining soul ballad
> classic, even if Dolly Parton wrote it.
>
> Where you are wrong is that it was Sugarhill gang, not Afrika
> Bambaata.
> And you can see a hugely offensive video here (though I guess the fake
> Native American characatures and bongos help it to qualify as world
> Music)"Tonto, jump opon it. Kimopsabi, jump on it..."
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJL8jDvukew
>
> Sugar Hill gang were really drawing from the Incredible Bongo Band's
> version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTvkoakkMX4
>
>
> But, there are lots of other great versions:
>
> The Shadows; http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
> The Ventures: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
> Danish Disco version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTKL8MNH95Q (I think
> the outfits rival Sugar Hill Gang's)
>
> And a Prodigy video mash-up of the same:
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-COGNOY3Nic
>
> Yes, it's a rainy Friday...
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org
> [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org] On
> Behalf Of Dmitri Vietze
> Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:52 PM
> To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
> Subject: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
>
> OK, so I have now been slapped on the wrist twice for calling Apache a
> "hip
> hop classic." See below. Another "elder" (ha, haaaa! no harm meant) of
> our
> community took the time from their busy schedule to call me and
> tell me
> the
> song had earlier origins in some old cowboy flick or something.
> (Though
> that
> person got credit for catching the Afrika Bambata reference, in
> spite of
> me
> being wrong, wrong wrong.) So in addition to booking 17 Hippies this
> September, you could schedule a debate and discussion on the multiple
> histories of the song "Apache."
>
> ("Kimosobi, jump on it!, jump on it, jump on it!)
>
> Much respect,
>
> ===> Dmitri!
> music at rockpaperscissors.biz
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>> At 10:02 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
>>> Apache (yes, that's right, folks! The hip hop classic done
> acoustically
>>> and in
>>> a Turkish 9/8 rhythm!)
>>
>> Oh, dude, you are S0-0-0-0 showing your youth. <g>
>>
>> "Apache" was a 1960s surf-guitar hit for The Challengers, written by
> Jerry
>> Lawler, ... a little early for hip-hop. <g>
>>
>> I'll give you the 9/8 rhythm, though.
> _______________________________________________
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:41:12 -0500 (CDT)
From: "Paul Harding" <racecar at bitstream.net>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] knowledge transfer and marketing across
generations
To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Good topic Dmitri!
That's something I think I've been struggling with as a
radio host/programmer for a long time.
My show is on the student run, University of Minnesota's
station, Radio K. The folks at the station have had a
tendency to think of their audience as younger than the
data (Arbitron & other) indicates. It's easy to think
that the audience of the college station is mostly college
kids, but we have a lot of listeners in their 30s and 40s
and some older yet. I think my show may even lean heavier
on the older demo.
I know plenty of my listeners are of my parents'
generation, who love the traditional end of the musical
spectrum and would rather never hear (what they still
call) "rap", dancehall and the like. But I think that's a
big part of the interesting musical fusion right now,
pretty much everywhere - and so, important to include (and
personally appealing).
The other side of this coin is the younger audience that
may lack the patience for the older, more traditional,
jazzy, or new agey sounds. They request Los Amigos
Invisibles, Brazilian Girls, Ojos De Brujo, reggaeton,
etc.
So, I feel obliged to include nearly the full spectrum.
Perhaps the show would be more successful if I targeted
one or the other?
>From my perspective, I see a lot of promotion of world
music as very geared for the older crowd. Maybe people
who are browsing for "world music" are older - while the
younger folks are looking for specific artists or genres?
Or at least, it's perceived this way by marketers?
-Paul
> I think the recent discussion about (mis)interpretations
> of the origins of one
> song -- one perspective surf rock and another early rap --
> brings up the issue
> of cross-generational reference points. I am curious what
> practices people on
> this list (presenters, labels, retailers, media, and
> others) have implemented
> to:
>
> 1. step out of their own generational reference points to
> communicate with
> other generations of fans, consumers, and
> readers/listeners
>
> 2. address the issue of aesthetics across generations in
> marketing materials
>
> I think a lot of the debate about the "world music ghetto"
> has to do with how
> music is presented. What are the visual and semantic cues
> that accompany
> certain forms of "world music?"
>
> Much respect,
>
> Dmitri Vietze
> rock paper scissors, inc.
> (NEW ADDRESS as of May 18, 2007!!!)
> 511 W. 4th St., Suite 2
> Bloomington, IN 47404-5171
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:05:40 -0700
From: Steve Hochman <shochman at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] knowledge transfer and marketing across
generations
To: "Dmitri Vietze" <music at rockpaperscissors.biz>
You mean like that whole generation of kids who grew up saying, "I
didn't know Paul McCartney was in a band before Wings"?
But it is a great discussion topic.... and crosses many genres... how
many people discovered folk and blues due to Dylan and the Stones?
How many learned about reggae from Eric Clapton's version of "I Shot
the Sheriff"? And how many just enjoy what they heard and never
explored the roots, which I suppose is fine, since enjoyment is the
real point of music from a listener's standpoint. I mean, we all want
people to learn about the sources of music, the creators (if anyone
can really be called a creator, since most of the traditions we love
go back well beyond traceability), but does it really matter if they
don't? I guess it matters a lot if someone's work is being used/
copied without compensation and recognition. but is there a larger
necessity for a Lily Allen fan, for example, to know where that piano
lick came from?
I don't know that I have answers to those questions, but I do think
about them a lot...
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On Aug 10, 2007, at 1:26 PM, Dmitri Vietze wrote:
> I think the recent discussion about (mis)interpretations of the
> origins of one
> song -- one perspective surf rock and another early rap -- brings
> up the issue
> of cross-generational reference points. I am curious what practices
> people on
> this list (presenters, labels, retailers, media, and others) have
> implemented
> to:
>
> 1. step out of their own generational reference points to
> communicate with
> other generations of fans, consumers, and readers/listeners
>
> 2. address the issue of aesthetics across generations in marketing
> materials
>
> I think a lot of the debate about the "world music ghetto" has to
> do with how
> music is presented. What are the visual and semantic cues that
> accompany
> certain forms of "world music?"
>
> Much respect,
>
> Dmitri Vietze
> rock paper scissors, inc.
> (NEW ADDRESS as of May 18, 2007!!!)
> 511 W. 4th St., Suite 2
> Bloomington, IN 47404-5171
> TEL +1-812-339-1195
> FAX +1-801-729-4911
> music at rockpaperscissors.biz
> www.rockpaperscissors.biz
>
> {{music of global significance}}
>
> p u b l i c i t y f o r t h e w o r l d
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Message: 6
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 15:07:28 -0700
From: Steve Hochman <shochman at pacbell.net>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] Hip-hop from Sierra Leone
To: jesse at modiba.net
and speaking of Modiba, I just got back from seeing Vieux Farka Toure
do a free show outdoors in downtown L.A.... absolutely wonderful!
but will certainly download the Dry Yai track... thanks for the tip.
-----------------------------------
Check out my column:
http://www.spinner.com/category/around-the-world/
-----------------------------------
On Aug 10, 2007, at 1:29 PM, Jesse Brenner wrote:
> Hey everyone-- while we're on the topic of global hip-hop, check out
> Modiba's latest release "Ease Di Tension" by Sierra Leone super-group
> Dry Yai, in support of non-violence during tomorrow's critical
> elections back home in S.L.
>
> FREE download:
> http://www.dryyai.com
>
> Also has live events list, news items, full press release, and more.
>
> Cheers,
> Jesse
> _______________________________________________
> FA-Worldmusic mailing list
> FA-Worldmusic at folk.org
> http://www.folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/fa-worldmusic
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Message: 7
Date: Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:08:44 -0600
From: Ian Menzies <ian at menziesmixedmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
To: Steve Hochman <shochman at pacbell.net>
Thanks for the link Steve.
What a hoot - gotta love YouTube.
Too bad the mix is so awful (and Earl is a bit off his game too me
thinks
:-)
-----Original Message-----
From: Steve Hochman [mailto:shochman at pacbell.net]
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:50 PM
To: Ian Menzies
Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
and here's a GREAT live version with both Prof. Longhair and Earl King
joining Dr. John to do the song... excellent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOyBwrvOKA
-----------------------------------
Check out my column:
http://www.spinner.com/category/around-the-world/
-----------------------------------
On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Ian Menzies wrote:
Isn't pretty much every hip hop track a co-opting or cover of a
previous
hit
(snark)?
Speaking of remakes and sampling, not sure how many on this list
have
taken
notice of Lily Allen, but her hit debut album is heavly laced with
fairly
easy to recognize "world music" samples. The first one I noticed was
Professor Longhair's "Big Chief" (speaking of Native Amerian
influences)
which is the backbone of her song "Knock em Out". But upon a closer
listen
(and a look at the song writing credits) I found several more,
including -
The Soul Brothers "Free Soul" (produced by Coxsone Dodd), providing
the
backbone for "Smile" - and the horns on "LDN" coming from Tommy
McCook's
"Reggae Merengue".
Nice to see the kids diggin' their roots, but I wonder how many of
them
realize where these tunes and sounds originally came from? Would be
interesting to know if labels like Trojan (who have the Tommy McCook
track)
or Mardi Gras Records (who I think control the Watch catalogue that
Big
Cheif first came out on) have experienced any sales bumps for the
originals
because of it? Certainly whomever conotrols the publishing will have
seen a
nice cash injection in the last few quarters.
Ian
-----Original Message-----
From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org
[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org]On
Behalf Of Bill Bragin
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:09 PM
To: Dmitri Vietze; fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
Apache is absolutely a hip-hop classic, even if it has earlier
sources,
just as much as I Will Always Love you is a defining soul ballad
classic, even if Dolly Parton wrote it.
Where you are wrong is that it was Sugarhill gang, not Afrika
Bambaata.
And you can see a hugely offensive video here (though I guess the
fake
Native American characatures and bongos help it to qualify as world
Music)"Tonto, jump opon it. Kimopsabi, jump on it..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJL8jDvukew
Sugar Hill gang were really drawing from the Incredible Bongo Band's
version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTvkoakkMX4
But, there are lots of other great versions:
The Shadows; http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
The Ventures: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
Danish Disco version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTKL8MNH95Q (I
think
the outfits rival Sugar Hill Gang's)
And a Prodigy video mash-up of the same:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-COGNOY3Nic
Yes, it's a rainy Friday...
-----Original Message-----
From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org
[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org] On
Behalf Of Dmitri Vietze
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:52 PM
To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Subject: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy
OK, so I have now been slapped on the wrist twice for calling Apache
a
"hip
hop classic." See below. Another "elder" (ha, haaaa! no harm meant)
of
our
community took the time from their busy schedule to call me and tell
me
the
song had earlier origins in some old cowboy flick or something.
(Though
that
person got credit for catching the Afrika Bambata reference, in
spite of
me
being wrong, wrong wrong.) So in addition to booking 17 Hippies this
September, you could schedule a debate and discussion on the
multiple
histories of the song "Apache."
("Kimosobi, jump on it!, jump on it, jump on it!)
Much respect,
===> Dmitri!
music at rockpaperscissors.biz
----- Original Message -----
At 10:02 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
Apache (yes, that's right, folks! The hip hop classic done
acoustically
and in
a Turkish 9/8 rhythm!)
Oh, dude, you are S0-0-0-0 showing your youth. <g>
"Apache" was a 1960s surf-guitar hit for The Challengers, written
by
Jerry
Lawler, ... a little early for hip-hop. <g>
I'll give you the 9/8 rhythm, though.
_______________________________________________
FA-Worldmusic mailing list
FA-Worldmusic at folk.org
http://www.folkserv.net/mailman/listinfo/fa-worldmusic
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