[FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy

[Ian Menzies]

Thanks for the link Steve.
What a hoot - gotta love YouTube.
Too bad the mix is so awful (and Earl is a bit off his game too me thinks
:-)
  -----Original Message-----
  From: Steve Hochman [mailto:shochman at pacbell.net]
  Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 3:50 PM
  To: Ian Menzies
  Cc: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
  Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy


  and here's a GREAT live version with both Prof. Longhair and Earl King
joining Dr. John to do the song... excellent!




  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IOyBwrvOKA












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  On Aug 10, 2007, at 11:45 AM, Ian Menzies wrote:


    Isn't pretty much every hip hop track a co-opting or cover of a previous
hit
    (snark)?


    Speaking of remakes and sampling, not sure how many on this list have
taken
    notice of Lily Allen, but her hit debut album is heavly laced with
fairly
    easy to recognize "world music" samples. The first one I noticed was
    Professor Longhair's "Big Chief" (speaking of Native Amerian influences)
    which is the backbone of her song "Knock em Out". But upon a closer
listen
    (and a look at the song writing credits) I found several more,
including -
    The Soul Brothers "Free Soul" (produced by Coxsone Dodd), providing the
    backbone for "Smile" - and the horns on "LDN" coming from Tommy McCook's
    "Reggae Merengue".


    Nice to see the kids diggin' their roots, but I wonder how many of them
    realize where these tunes and sounds originally came from? Would be
    interesting to know if labels like Trojan (who have the Tommy McCook
track)
    or Mardi Gras Records (who I think control the Watch catalogue that Big
    Cheif first came out on) have experienced any sales bumps for the
originals
    because of it? Certainly whomever conotrols the publishing will have
seen a
    nice cash injection in the last few quarters.
    Ian


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    From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org
    [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org]On
    Behalf Of Bill Bragin
    Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:09 PM
    To: Dmitri Vietze; fa-worldmusic at folk.org
    Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy




    Apache is absolutely a hip-hop classic, even if it has earlier sources,
    just as much as I Will Always Love you is a defining soul ballad
    classic, even if Dolly Parton wrote it.


    Where you are wrong is that it was Sugarhill gang, not Afrika Bambaata.
    And you can see a hugely offensive video here (though I guess the fake
    Native American characatures and bongos help it to qualify as world
    Music)"Tonto, jump opon it. Kimopsabi, jump on it..."
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJL8jDvukew


    Sugar Hill gang were really drawing from the Incredible Bongo Band's
    version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTvkoakkMX4




    But, there are lots of other great versions:


    The Shadows; http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
    The Ventures: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
    Danish Disco version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTKL8MNH95Q (I think
    the outfits rival Sugar Hill Gang's)


    And a Prodigy video mash-up of the same:
    http://youtube.com/watch?v=-COGNOY3Nic


    Yes, it's a rainy Friday...






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    From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org
    [mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org] On
    Behalf Of Dmitri Vietze
    Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:52 PM
    To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
    Subject: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy


    OK, so I have now been slapped on the wrist twice for calling Apache a
    "hip
    hop classic." See below. Another "elder" (ha, haaaa! no harm meant) of
    our
    community took the time from their busy schedule to call me and tell me
    the
    song had earlier origins in some old cowboy flick or something. (Though
    that
    person got credit for catching the Afrika Bambata reference, in spite of
    me
    being wrong, wrong wrong.) So in addition to booking 17 Hippies this
    September, you could schedule a debate and discussion on the multiple
    histories of the song "Apache."


    ("Kimosobi, jump on it!, jump on it, jump on it!)


    Much respect,


    ===> Dmitri!
    music at rockpaperscissors.biz


    ----- Original Message -----
      At 10:02 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
        Apache (yes, that's right, folks! The hip hop classic done
    acoustically
        and in
        a Turkish 9/8 rhythm!)


      Oh, dude, you are S0-0-0-0 showing your youth. <g>


      "Apache" was a 1960s surf-guitar hit for The Challengers, written by
    Jerry
      Lawler, ... a little early for hip-hop. <g>


      I'll give you the 9/8 rhythm, though.
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