[FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy

[Ian Menzies]

Isn't pretty much every hip hop track a co-opting or cover of a previous hit
(snark)?

Speaking of remakes and sampling, not sure how many on this list have taken
notice of Lily Allen, but her hit debut album is heavly laced with fairly
easy to recognize "world music" samples. The first one I noticed was
Professor Longhair's "Big Chief" (speaking of Native Amerian influences)
which is the backbone of her song "Knock em Out". But upon a closer listen
(and a look at the song writing credits) I found several more, including -
The Soul Brothers "Free Soul" (produced by Coxsone Dodd), providing the
backbone for "Smile" - and the horns on "LDN" coming from Tommy McCook's
"Reggae Merengue".

Nice to see the kids diggin' their roots, but I wonder how many of them
realize where these tunes and sounds originally came from? Would be
interesting to know if labels like Trojan (who have the Tommy McCook track)
or Mardi Gras Records (who I think control the Watch catalogue that Big
Cheif first came out on) have experienced any sales bumps for the originals
because of it? Certainly whomever conotrols the publishing will have seen a
nice cash injection in the last few quarters.
Ian

-----Original Message-----
From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org
[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+ian=menziesmixedmedia.com at folk.org]On
Behalf Of Bill Bragin
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 12:09 PM
To: Dmitri Vietze; fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Subject: Re: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy


Apache is absolutely a hip-hop classic, even if it has earlier sources,
just as much as I Will Always Love you is a defining soul ballad
classic, even if Dolly Parton wrote it.

Where you are wrong is that it was Sugarhill gang, not Afrika Bambaata.
And you can see a hugely offensive video here (though I guess the fake
Native American characatures and bongos help it to qualify as world
Music)"Tonto, jump opon it. Kimopsabi, jump on it..."
http://youtube.com/watch?v=TJL8jDvukew

Sugar Hill gang were really drawing from the Incredible Bongo Band's
version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=kTvkoakkMX4


But, there are lots of other great versions:

The Shadows; http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
The Ventures: http://youtube.com/watch?v=tFwVSYQ3GUQ
Danish Disco version: http://youtube.com/watch?v=eTKL8MNH95Q (I think
the outfits rival Sugar Hill Gang's)

And a Prodigy video mash-up of the same:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=-COGNOY3Nic

Yes, it's a rainy Friday...



-----Original Message-----
From: fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org
[mailto:fa-worldmusic-bounces+bbragin=publictheater.org at folk.org] On
Behalf Of Dmitri Vietze
Sent: Friday, August 10, 2007 1:52 PM
To: fa-worldmusic at folk.org
Subject: [FA Worldmusic] 17 Hippies controversy

OK, so I have now been slapped on the wrist twice for calling Apache a
"hip
hop classic." See below. Another "elder" (ha, haaaa! no harm meant) of
our
community took the time from their busy schedule to call me and tell me
the
song had earlier origins in some old cowboy flick or something. (Though
that
person got credit for catching the Afrika Bambata reference, in spite of
me
being wrong, wrong wrong.) So in addition to booking 17 Hippies this
September, you could schedule a debate and discussion on the multiple
histories of the song "Apache."

("Kimosobi, jump on it!, jump on it, jump on it!)

Much respect,

===> Dmitri!
music at rockpaperscissors.biz

----- Original Message -----
> At 10:02 AM 8/10/2007, you wrote:
>>Apache (yes, that's right, folks! The hip hop classic done
acoustically
>>and in
>>a Turkish 9/8 rhythm!)
>
> Oh, dude, you are S0-0-0-0 showing your youth. <g>
>
> "Apache" was a 1960s surf-guitar hit for The Challengers, written by
Jerry
> Lawler, ... a little early for hip-hop. <g>
>
> I'll give you the 9/8 rhythm, though.
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